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>>Kate: This is Kate

>>Rosey: And this is Rosey, and we're doing a special addendum episode today in light of recent events, in light of the recent case, the Brock Turner case. We thought it was important to address this issue as we feel like it relates really nicely to Episode 2 and our discussion about fear mongering.

>>K: And, you're going to have to excuse us if the quality of our recording is a little off, one of us is on the other side of the country and so we're doing this through speaker phone! Yay!

>>R: Woohoo

>>K: But we felt that this was really important to talk about so we wanted to make sure that we had an opportunity to share our thoughts with you all. So. Rosey, you want to kick us off here?

>>R: Um, yeah. So you should have- my brain is also fried after a long day at work, so excuse me but yeah, so you should have heard, unless you've been living under a rock about the Brock Turner case and he is the white male from Stanford who raped a woman behind a dumpster and it recently, the news came out that he received a sentence of six months, and has pre-emptively, his sentence has been reduced for pre-emptive good behavior to just three months. So he brutally raped a woman behind a dumpster-

>>K: Who was unconscious.

>>R: I'm sorry?

>>K: Who was unconscious. Like, an unconscious woman behind a dumpster.

>>R: Behind a dumpster and will only receive three months in a local jail. So, what we discussed in Episode 2 was of course the bills that have come out recently attempting to determine where transgender and gender non-conforming individuals can use the restroom, and one of the big cases made for why we should be limiting access to restrooms at all is because apparently this is going to cause a ton of sexual assault and rape. That people can pretend to be someone, er pretend to be a transgender individual so they can get into women's restrooms and rape and assault women. And we discussed how that was pure fear mongering because A, we quoted a lot of professional individuals in the field saying that there have literally been zero cases reported of you know, sexual assault since bills have been in place, non-discrimination bills have been in place for transgender individuals to use the restroom that they choose and then we also talked about it's clear that no one cares about sexual assault and rape of women in any other instance except for magically these bills and the discussion about where transgender individuals go to the restroom. And this is a perfect example of that. No one seems to care that there was an unconscious woman raped in a dumpster. Everyone's sympathizing with this rapist because "poor him, and his life is going to be ruined." The judge sympathized with him and therefore only gave him six months in a local jail, and now they're sympathizing with him even more by preemptively reducing that sentence to three months.

>>K: Right, and we're going to, we're going to get into that a little more, but I also before we do, want to talk about the fact that for one thing, we think that this is totally deplorable and stand in complete support of this woman.

>>R: Mmhmm.

>>K: And her statement has been going around the internet and I have to say that I think she's very brave and admirable young woman. Who didn't, I mean, no one deserves this-

>>R: Right.

>>K: And she certainly deserves more justice than this. And then, we also want to point out that we are aware that there are multiple other kinds of privilege at play here. And we're definitely going- you will hear us talk about this again because it is like a text book case of white privilege, of male privilege, of-

>>R: Yes.

>>K: He's at Stanford, I think the assumption is that he's pretty wealthy, so he's got class privilege. So, we will definitely talk about those things, those things are all very important, but this, as it's not even really a, you know, it's own full episode, we really just kind of want to show how this case supports what we were saying about the fear mongering in terms of the bathroom.

>>R: Yeah.

>>K: So, And you know, I for one, this just makes me angrier the more that I think about it. On top of my anger that this happened, and that his sentence was so light, but you know, as someone who is a survivor of sexual assault, and as I mentioned in episode 2, I've been assaulted multiple times, and one of them was in a bathroom, by someone who was, you know who identified as a cis man, and was not pretending to be trans to gain access. And you know, I definitely dealt, it got around school, and I definitely got a lot of that, oh I was lying, I was asking for it, you know, let's talk about all the other you know, boys I was made out with or whatever, this, so, there was not a lot of protection for me in that situation, you know, and that situation, the result of that situation, it getting around school and being treated that way, by not just the students in my school, but also one of the coaches at my school, meant that the next time I was assaulted I didn't report it. Because I didn't want to go through all that again. It was awful. And so, you know, the fact that you know, something, I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making it about me, I don't want to, it's not about me, it's about this poor woman and the people who are being discriminated against, but it makes me really angry for people to take something really horrific that happened to me, that happens to a lot of women, globally and in this country and pretend like they care about it in order to discriminate against other people. It makes me feel sick and I feel like the fact that this kid only got six months, and that's already pretty much dropped to three, no body cares about sexual assault at all! So when somebody tries to tell you that this is about protecting, that these bills are about protecting women in a bathroom, they are lying to your face. That is how I feel about it as a survivor of sexual assault, who didn't get a lot of protection after my assault, and after the fact that we've watched this kid get six months for assaulting an unconscious woman, behind a dumpster. The fact remains that our country, our society does not care about women. Does not care if they are assaulted. How many schools are under a Title IV investigation for the way they handle their rape cases? I mean, this is not something that people are actually worried about until they can use it to create mass hysteria and use it to discriminate against people. I mean and you were talking before, if you want to talk about now the way that that same argument has been used against people of color.

>>R: Yeah, I think the entire scenario mimics the way that historically people have used the fear mongering of black men raping and sexually assaulting white women, to create like I said, fear mongering to create this fear surrounding black men. And that's something that's still internalized by a lot of people to this day, this scenario really mimics that because no one's directly saying that transgender individuals and gender non-conforming individuals will be sexually assaulting and raping women. You can make the argument that what they're saying is that this is going to create an opportunity for people to gain access to restrooms that normally wouldn't have access to these restrooms in order to sexually assault and rape women. But the fact of the matter is, when you continuously use transgender, gender non-conforming you know, those identities in conjunction with sexual assault and rape, you're sort of creating that same fear mongering. You know, you're creating that thing that says: Association. And so that really concerns me, that that's sort of a constant thing that we're talking about now, is that when you hear things about transgender individuals, we're now starting to associate that with sexual assault and rape that's going to happen in restrooms, because transgender individuals are using the restroom of their identity. So that's something that I'm really concerned about, and again it's using that fear mongering to their advantage. And I really like, I'm going to point out one thing that kind of goes back to what you're talking about, about the fact that they are lying to your face. That they're saying that this is about protecting women it's just, it's just fucking bullshit, it's not what's really going on. I really like the way that Emma Arnold placed, er, discussed this. She's someone on Facebook, not a personal friend of mine, but this is just something that's sort of circulating regarding this conversation. And she says "Just so I've got this right, you want us to be safe in bathrooms, but if we're by dumpsters we're on our own?" So, I mean, I just like the way that she points that out, you know, that they're saying, you know when it comes to transgender individuals using the restrooms, we've really got to be careful about who is using what restroom because people can use this as an opportunity to gain access.

>>K: Yep.

>>R: Oh but, you know, you're raped by a dumpster that's on you.

>>K: Right.

>>R: Like, what?

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>>K: Go ahead.

>>R: I'm finished.

>>K: Well, I was just going to say, Catherine Graffam, who is also not a personal friend of mine, but there's a screenshot of one of her tweets going around facebook right now, and it's from March, so it's from before this case even, you know, blew up all over social media. And it says "So we make laws in fear that transwomen, are men trying to sexually assault women, but can't convict actual men who sexually assault women. So yeah. Like it's pretty, to me it's pretty blatant. And you know, considering the way I was treated after my first assault was reported, um, I don't want this protection. I don't want your protection. If you want to protect women, it does not need to be protect women in bathrooms.

>>R: Right.

>>K: It doesn't even need to be protect women behind dumpsters. If you want to protect women, teach men not to rape. It's that simple.

>>R: Mmhmm. And that's the thing that, you know I've heard a lot of people too make the argument that well, he was drunk, he was really really drunk and it lowers your inhibitions, and they're making this about alcohol and that's pretty disgusting to me too. I mean, how long are we going, where does that end?  The excuses that we're going to make for men sexually assaulting and raping women. Where do those excuses end? And where do we just say, take some fucking responsibility for your fucking actions. It is not ok to put your hands on a woman who you know, first of all in unconscious in this case. She didn't even have an opportunity to say now.

>>K: And the thing is,

>>R: Where does that end?

>>K: It's not an excuse for driving drunk. Like nobody says "We should be lenient with this guy that got a DUI because he was drunk so he didn't know what he was doing when he got behind the wheel of a car. No that's a crime. So, being drunk isn't an excuse for raping anybody. This is the only crime where that is ever an argument. Nobody ever says "Oh well, your house got robbed? Well, how many glasses of wine did you have before you went to bed?" Like, no.

>>R: Yeah! And there's this other thing, Sorry, since we're on this sort of roll, another thing that I've seen going around, this is from the, it look like I shared this from the page, "Exposing Men's Rights Activism" and it says "Rape is the only crime on the books for which arguing that the temptation to commit it was too clear and obvious to resist is treated as a defense, for every other crime we call that a confession."

>>K: Right.

>>R: And so I think the same thing can be said for saying, "Oh, but I was like, really drunk and these were my circumstances." In any other situation we would call that a confession. Okay, you were drunk, but you did it right?  That's a confession. But in this case, it's "Oh, okay, now I get it." And "Oh my gosh, you're right, your life is really going to be ruined by this, but let me sympathize with you.  It's just at every turn it's clear that this is not about protecting women.

>>K: No. Because we won't protect women when they've been raped. And this, the sentence is a slap in the face to every victim of sexual assault and you know, it's, the next person who tells me that these bills are about protecting women I mean, I'm going to have to restrain myself, because it is clearly not.

>>R: Exactly, agreed. So, I think that we just felt like it was really important to take this opportunity to discuss the Brock Turner case because it does directly tie into what we were talking about in Episode 2.

>>K: So thanks for listening to me be really angry, and I guess we'll see you, or we'll talk some more at you next week.

>>R: Ha, talk some more at you.

>>K: Yep. That's what I said.

[Rosey laughs]

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